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« on: February 15, 2010, 03:01:29 PM »

So, I finally decided to go see Avatar. The whole enchilada in IMAX 3D. This is what I thought of it...

The Content
While the film is without doubt a visual tour de force that is all it is. The story is so weak that it struggles to carry what is a very superficial action film and one realised at a phenominal cost. To my mind there are also massive holes in various parts of the plot. In particular the bows and arrows attacks on the combat machines I found rather jarring, especially since there is a sequence earlier in the film with the native's arrows clattering uselessly against the windows of the machines. For the climatic battle to have been beliveable in my eyes it would have required far more guerrilla tactics and a much greater level of involvement from the 'Gaia' inspired native 'Eywa'.

A fair bit has been said in a number of reviews about the depth of Avatar's creation of an entire world. Visually this is true. The depth and breadth of the environment that was created is impressive. But for the most part it is candyfloss - fun but no substance - and I found certain parts of the alien ecosystem jarred. The telepathic link between the herbiverous horses was acceptably believable but between the carniverous (judging by their dentition) smaller flying creatures was not. It was especially not believable for the dominant carniverous flying creature that allows Jake Sully to become the Na'vi messiah.

It has an ending that while consistant with the weakly conceived story is entirely predictable and simply not believable. To my mind the only possible way the ending could have worked would be if it was obvious that the entire planet's ecosystem had driven off the 'industrial military complex' and that any military response was futile. As it is, having lost the initial battle 'the company' would simply return with a masive invasion force and implement a 'regime change'.

The Technology
There are very few films that I consider virtually perfect from a Special or Visual Effects perspective - 2001 and Blade Runner come to mind, and now Avatar is another. For a film that hardly contains a second that does not have some level of CGI or post-production effect in it there was only one shot that I spotted that did not quite fit. For someone that looks at films the way I do, that is quite an achievement.

From a technical point of view the '3D' is quite impressive but a number of scenes reveals that of course it is not really 3D, it is 'Steroscopic'. If your eyes try to focus on an object that is not the focus of the camera then it is actually quite disturbing and stressful when the object refuses to come into focus. Having said that, to their credit, they do not overuse the stereo-vision. While it is clean and crisp, and 'works' I think it adds very little and certainly not enough to justify its cost.

The Money
Avatar is currently being touted as the highest grossing film of all time but my understanding is that there is a lot of unspoken number manipulation behind that statement.

The studios are admitting to having spent in the region of $200M on it but rumour is that it cost nearer $500M and that is without taking into account the cost of R&D that preceeded it. If those numbers are correct it means that even having taken $2Bn at the box office that means that as a % return it is only just profitable. A film requires something in the order of 4:1 Box Office takings to Production costs in order to recover its costs.

This is not the first time that James Cameron has done this. While Titanic was also purported to have cost $200M there is a fair amount of internal industry discussion that suggests that the completed film cost nearer $400M with indications that phenominal amounts of money were squandered during the production by Cameron. One statement in particular that I heard at the time was that he was shooting incomplete scenes and stating that they would be completed in post by Digital Domain (a company that he partially owned). There is an interesting statement in the Wikipedia entry on Digital Domain:

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In 1998, after the box office success of Titanic, James Cameron and Stan Winston severed their working relationship with Digital Domain, and resigned from its Board of Directors.

Rumor has it that Cameron was forced to resign and give up his share of the company as part settlement for the overspend on Titanic.

Two major production companies ended up being deeply financially involved with Titanic (Fox & Paramount) with suggestions at the time that if it was not a box-office success it would do both of those institutions a great deal of financial damage. It is not unlikely that one of the reasons that it swept the boards at the Oscars was the MPA trying to do its bit to protect those production companies. While that may just be malicious gossip, for a director to be given the film industries' highest level of commendation (only Ben Hur and Return of the King have previously achieved that level of Oscar wins) and yet to spend 12 years in the movie wilderness suggests that there was something amiss.

So now we have Avatar. Again admitted to having a huge budget with rumours around of much higher final costs - vigorously denied by Fox. My gut feeling is that the elevated costs are probably true, it may not be easy to tell though. If Cameron was frozen out again then it would be obvious. However, this is a film where much of the assets are technological R&D and digital artwork. A sequel has been proposed. What better way to try to recover some of your costs than to capitalise on that R&D and re-use your digital artwork. What Cameron gets to work on after that will say much about what Avatar really cost the film industry.

Conclusion
Avatar is a nice piece of Sci-fi but the only thing great about it is the technology it has brought to bear on its visuals.

I would not recommend it without heavy reservations. I would not buy it on DVD/Blu-Ray. I would only watch it again as a technical exercise.

To me it is the wrong way to produce films. Effects should help you tell a story (which they do in Avatar) but there has to be a story worth watching.


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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 05:04:26 PM »

thats the last birthday party your getting invited to.  Tongue



i think i'll wait till it comes out on sky movies, the last cinema film i saw was lord of the rings.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 07:07:34 PM »

My review:

My son (aged 14) thought it was the best film he'd ever seen.
It gave me a headache.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 09:58:31 AM »

The only one in my family to see it so far was my eldest daughter (13) she was with a group of friends and found it so dull she fell asleep very early on.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 10:12:14 AM »

I agree with Rob's review, but enjoyed the film as it was spectacular.

The final battle was peculiar.  The air fight was 'sensible' (and I was less worried by close up archers punching through the screens - you can rationalise shooting from the ground would lose a lot of power).  The ground battle was 'silly'.

However, I thought the point was that it WAS the whole planet that turned the tide; even if they had to do a suicide charge to make that fit easier with the storyline.

As for the company coming back; well, a new landing would be expensive and, as was pointed out, they were in the process of mobilising the whole planet which would have made a long term operation expensive, to say the least. So I was less worried by that.

The plot was on the thin side of slight, but I did like the restrained use of 3D.  I wouldn't see it again (perhaps at an Imax) but it was worth the trip.

The economics I can't comment on; some of it I imagine comes back to being the 'first' at anything which will often rack up huge costs - and if that's the case, then you need a 'blockbuster' to just cover that, almost regardless of the overall profit position. Lets see if this does become the way all films are made in a number of years.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 12:41:03 PM »

With regard to 'all films being made this way in the future' there is an issue that has an impact.

It is not dissimilar to the issue that often faces MMOs, and that is one of achieving the broadest accessability and thereby maximising your potential market. If you design an MMO with the 3D engine requirements of WoW then the potential market is huge because it will run acceptably well on a 7+ year old PC and with low bandwidth requirement on the internet connection. An MMO like LotRO has a higher requirement and so reduces the potential market.

The same applies to these stereoscopic films. A significant % of the population find them uncomfortable to watch and others (those with say good sight in only one eye) gain no benefit from the effect. Given that for quite some time the distribution companies are going to have to invest in the technology (and consequently charge more for it), I think there are real issues facing the film industry if they attempt to persue this.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2010, 09:59:37 AM »

I was glad, and rather surprised, to see that Avatar won very few Oscars last night. It won the one it deserved "Visual Effects" as well as "Cinematography" and "Art Direction". Maybe it did deserve "Cinematography" though hard to be clear in a film where so much of the "Cinematography" was generated by the rendering software. I personally thought very little of the "Art Direction" of Avatar deserved much mention, but I have not seen any of the other films it was up against.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2010, 03:41:58 PM »

Heh oddly enough.. the one who did win best director was Camerons ex-wife.

Hadn't seen it myself though, but I believe it was a war film

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Bigelow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hurt_Locker

Hadn't watched Oscars in many years, but tbh.. don't think I could have handled seeing Cameron yelling 'I'm King of the World' on every channel there is.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 09:11:53 AM »


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Hadn't watched Oscars in many years, but tbh.. don't think I could have handled seeing Cameron yelling 'I'm King of the World' on every channel there is.

As I said above I'm pleasantly surprised he did not get the opportunity Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 04:50:05 PM »

So, I went to see Avatar in 3D last night. I simply loved it. Maybe the storyline was not very spectacular (halfway through, I could already predict the end of the movie), but I've seen worse. The story could be a 95% copy of "Pocahontas".
I just loved the world they created. It was just beautiful, and especially the shots of space, with surrounding planets/moons was stunning. It's probably just me, but I always get weak inside when I see movies like this...  Embarrassed
I went there with my younger brother, who watched it for the 4th time in the cinema, and his girlfriend. For her it was the 3rd time watching Avatar. Also, my parents came along and my sister and brother-in-law. Everybody loved it Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 10:55:16 AM »

Bel I highly recommend the Hurt Locker as this is an outstanding film and deserves its awards, whereas Avatar has made it on its special effects, Hurt Locker has made it on its gritty depiction of life on the front lines for the men of EOD (explosive ordanance division) squad in the US army, the Male lead is totally convincing with the way he is dealing with his inner turmoil, as well as the harshness and cold reality of the daily grind of his job.

Imho Hurt Locker totally blows dancing with smurfs out of the water Wink  
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 03:37:21 PM »

Avatar - visual spectacular, shallow plot as expected, thoroughly enjoyable.

Hurt Locker - mediocre war film about a bomb disposal guy who ignores his comrades and is a bit obsessive about bomb disposal.
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